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2012-08-20, 12:50 | #16 |
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Från skaparna av det bombsäkra Martingale kommer även succéer som Dieselmotorn, Bikinin och inte minst En Meter! Edit: Passar även på att rätta mig själv lite: Citat:
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2012-08-20, 13:35 | #18 |
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Marty suger, eftersom du kan inte basera ditt spel på förflutna resultat - Gamblers Fallacy ... Roulette har 37 grader av frihet. Istället så vet man vart bollen kommer att landa innan den gör det :-) |
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2012-08-20, 18:11 | #19 |
Hela sidan är scam. Pesonen som lagt upp den vill att du ska förlora så att han kan dela dina förluster med spelbolaget. Det finns program som tar fram fejkade kontoutdrag ifrån Betfair.
Under ett par veckors tid besökte jag statens casino i Stockholm för att kolla förutsättningarna. I princip varje dag jag var där så dök samma färg upp ca 15gr i rad. Så jag sket i att spela. Även om man kör systemet med att dubbla så finns det ett insatstak som stoppar. Kulan har inget minne men det går att öka sina chanser för vinst. Spela på livecasino med en riktig dealer. Alltför många har vunnit låtsaspengar för att sedan förlora allt när de spelar med riktiga pengar. Allt tyder på att rouletten är riggad när utfallen är datorgenererade så att vinstchansen ligger ungefär i nivå med en enarmad bandit. Spela på europeisk roulette som har enkelnolla Ha ett antal system som du skiftar med när du har uppnått en vinst på ca 10-15% av din totala bankrulle per system. Det finns många system på internet. Inget av dessa är felfria. Casinot kommer att plocka av spelaren samtliga dennes pengar bara spelandet håller på tillräckligt länge. Medicinen mot det är att nöja sig med ca 10-15% vinst och sedan byta till ett annat system. Då kan man minska sannolikheten för förlust till ca 0,5% som bäst.
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2012-08-20, 18:26 | #20 |
Hur menar du att ett system, eller flera system, ska kunna hålla förlustrisken till 50%?
Spelar du röd/svart är det alltid 51,4% risk att du torskar. |
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2012-08-20, 18:56 | #21 |
"Spelar du röd/svart är det alltid 51,4% risk att du torskar. "
Japp, men så ska man inte spela. Man väntar med att spela tills förutsättningarna är de rätta. Det finns mängder av olika metoder som bygger på att en viss kombination av utfall inte ska ha uppkommit X antal gånger innan man spelar. Se exempel på ett system nedan The Predictor Method This month we have a system that we have not yet had a losing game with. Very simple to operate, this system uses the familiar targets of red and black and combines them with a familiar betting strategy, the ‘Martingale’. The ‘Martingale’ method traditionally targets the outside boxes by betting opposite to what has been previously hit and although this is a fair method to use it is ultimately let down by the fact that the stakes rise exponentially and a losing run is expected at some point in the string of results. Basically, your bank or the table limit won’t allow you to continue. If you use the ‘Martingale’ more carefully and more restrictively then you can increase your chances of success somewhat. For this system we predict 5 spins of the roulette wheel and apply a favourable Martingale staking. We are not predicting the actual number but the colour of the number, namely red or black. For example, we might predict Red, Red, Black, Red and Black or R, R, B, R and B. Approaching a roulette table, what are the chances of us predicting the next 5 spins correctly at any time? Well, for each spin we have a 1:2 chance of success (ignoring the zero) or 50%. Over 5 spins our chances of success are 2x2x2x2x2 which equals 32. Basically we have a 1 in 32 chance of success or 3% and this simply equates to the fact that there are 32 different combinations of red/black over 5 spins. Our prediction is just 1 of those possible variations and viewed in these terms it is clear that it would be very difficult to guess 5 correct on the trot. The opposite of this is also true; that to get all five wrong would also be very unlikely; to do this on all 5 spins would also be 1 in 32 or 3%. This basically means that if you come to the roulette wheel with your pre-determined 5-step sequence and you apply a ‘Martingale’ staking then you will have a 97% chance of success because any hit within the 5 spins will produce an overall profit. Our preferred staking is actually 5, 10, 20, 40, and 80 and requires a bank of 155 to operate the plan from scratch. If you were starting from 10 then double the bank would be needed, 310. If your casino allows a smaller starting point then you could use 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 but this will be up to your own preferences. This is all fine but statistically we know that whatever sequence we stick with will eventually arrive and when it does, a huge chunk of our profits will be wiped out! This is fact. In theory, 1 out of every 32 sequences will match ours. So how do we improve our chances even further? Well, our odds of success reduce after our first win because the law of probability would state that the exact same sequence is due to hit that much sooner (remember, 1 out of every 32). If you have 20 wins then you might begin to feel that a losing sequence is due sooner rather than later. To avoid this and to keep our chances of success at 97% on every new sequence we simply change our pre-determined pattern of 5. It could be argued by mathematicians that every new pattern is just as likely to come in as one used previously but our experiences over the past months/years have found that this is not the case and that it is actually very difficult to lose when you vary this pattern regularly. We usually aim for around 10-20 units profit i.e. 10-20 winning patterns; though if we are feeling lucky we will play on for longer. Following is an example of how to apply this method as it stands: My pre-determined sequences are going to be (10 in all): 1. RRBRB 2. BRBBR 3. RRRBR 4. BBRBB 5. BRBRR 6. BBRBR 7. RRRBB 8. BRRRB 9. RBRBB 10. BBRRR If all 10 sequences are successful then we go back to the top and start again. Here are numbers from a recent session at a local Palace Casino. 11, 23, 20, 19, 10, 2, 36, 26, 8, 18, 35, 10, 32, 27, 26, 17, 12, 25, 23, 4, 35, 32, 29, 19, 14, 2, 14, and 23. In terms of red and black the sequence would be thus: B, R, B, R, B, B, R, B, B, R, B, B, R, R, B, B, R, R, R, B, B, R, B, R, R, B, R, and R. Starting at the first spin we would use pattern 1 (RRBRB) and start backing each prediction in succession until we get a win, using the staking plan shown earlier. As soon as we get a win we move onto the next pattern of 5 and start over again. This would continue until all 10 patterns had been used. The numbers above would have produced the following session results: We would start by backing red (RRBRB) and lose (11 black). Next spin we back red again with our doubled stake and win (23 red and 1 unit profit overall). Now we move onto the second pattern, using the first predicted colour, black. The next spin of the table gets us a win (20 black and 2 units profit overall). Onto the 3rd pattern and we target Red; we get a win at the first attempt (19 red and 3 units profit overall). Onto the 4th pattern and we target black first. We get a win at the first attempt (10 black and 4 units profit overall). Onto the 5th pattern and we back black. The very next number is (2 black and 5 units profit overall). The 6th pattern has us now backing black. It loses (36 red) and so we move onto the second colour in our sequence, black again. This time we win (26 black and 6 units profit overall). Onto the 7th pattern and we now target red. We lose (8 black comes in). Next in the sequence is red again and this time we win (18 red and 7 units profit overall). Onto the 8th pattern and now we target black. We win immediately (35 black and 8 units profit overall). Onto the 9th pattern and now we target red. We lose as 10 black comes in. The next colour in the sequence is black. We lose again as 32 red comes in. Onto the third colour in the sequence, this is red. This time we win (27 red and 9 units profit overall). We now move onto the 10th and final pattern, targeting black. We win on the first attempt (26 black and 10 units profit overall). Overall we won 10 separate patterns and that would equate to 10 x whatever our starting stake was. In the example shown earlier we started with £5 and kept doubling. In this case we would have won £50. Had we started with £10 then we would have won £100. We could leave the table now or simply stop the session and watch without betting and come in later. Alternatively, we could just continue betting, starting at pattern 1 once more. If we had done that then we would have won another 6 patterns before the numbers ran out. Less than 30 spins is all that would have been needed in order to profit 16 units. This method is very good as it stands but every now and then you may very well encounter a nasty run of 5, basically a run that is totally opposite to your chosen pattern. Our favoured method is an improvement on what you have just read and in our opinion offers an even greater chance of success. The Safety First Approach Gambling against the table not being able to hit the total opposite of your chosen pattern of 5 is roughly 97% successful but if you are extremely unlucky you may get caught. When this time comes you must take it on the chin and not chase beyond this 5-colour pattern, as the stakes will be too large in comparison to the profit. There is a way to further improve your chances of success with this approach and in mathematical terms the chances of success are greater than 99.5%. The reason for this high percentage is simple; you are going to use patterns of 9 numbers. At first glance you might be thinking that to chase your pattern for 9 bets would require a huge bankroll and a generous casino and you’d be right on both accounts. If you were to use a 9-colour pattern and you started betting from the 1st spin then the stakes would be as follows: 5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, 640 and 1,280. The total needed would be £2,555 with the final spin still only profiting you £5 if it wins! We freely admit that this approach would be crazy to follow and not only that, some casinos might be hesitant to allow stakes greater than £1,000 on the outside boxes, although most now do. The secret is to play only the last 5 colours of your chosen pattern. You play these only at a time when your 1st 4 have already lost. Basically, for you to lose, the table has to throw out 9 colours on the trot that are exactly opposite to your chosen 9. As already stated, the chances of this happening are less than 0.5%. What is even safer about this method is that you won’t just have 1 pattern of 9 numbers but as before you will have 10. Much the same as before you will create your own patterns of 9 numbers. Next you will wait for the signal – 1st 4 colours being opposite to any of your 10 and then you will bet as you did earlier i.e. using a ‘Martingale’ style staking. Here we give you 10 patterns of our own and we will run them through the ‘real’ numbers shown earlier. 1. RBRB BBRBR 2. RRBB RBRRR 3. BBBR BRRBR 4. BBRB BRBBR 5. BBRR RRRBR 6. RRRB RRRBR 7. BRBR BBBRB 8. RRBR RRBBB 9. RRRR RBRBB 10. BRRB RBRBB Above are 10 sequences of 9 numbers, each different. The signal you will be looking for is when an opposing sequence of 4 has come in. If we take the 1st sequence as an example (RBRBBBRBR) we would be waiting for BRBR (opposite the 1st 4 colours) to come in before we started betting on the rest of the sequence (BBRBR). So for every sequence of 9 we have a pattern of 4 that will trigger the betting for that particular sequence. For the list above the triggers would be (we have added the pattern to be bet following the trigger sequence: 1. BRBR (BBRBR) 2. BBRR (RBRRR) 3. RRRB (BRRBR) 4. RRBR (BRBBR) 5. RRBB (RRRBR) 6. BBBR (RRRBR) 7. RBRB (BBBRB) 8. BBRB (RRBBB) 9. BBBB (RBRBB) 10. RBBR (RBRBB) Ok, so we have 10 triggers to look out for. Now let’s apply them to the Palace set of numbers: (B, (R, B, (R,) B,) B, (R,) B, B, (R,) (B, B, (R,) (R,) (B, B,) (R,) (R,) (R, B,) B,) R,) B, (R, R, B, R), and R. You should only ever bet 1 sequence at a time. Wins are highlighted in Bold and triggers are bracketed. Immediately we have a betting opportunity after the 1st 4 spins, with pattern 1 being triggered. Therefore on spin 5 we will target black (BBRBR) the 1st colour from this sequence. We get a hit on the 1st spin. The next opportunity comes immediately if we check back the last 4 spins (2-5), with pattern 7 being triggered (BBBRB). Therefore on spin 5 we begin to play this sequence. We get a hit on the 1st spin. By the 7th spin we have another sequence triggered, pattern 10 (RBRBB). Following this sequence we get a win on the 2nd spin. Continuing we get another pattern triggered on the 10th spin, pattern 10 once more. We get a win on the 2nd spin. You probably get the idea by now of how this works. The rest of the results are shown above within the sequence of Palace numbers. Overall there were 12 wins using this method and no sequence went beyond the 3rd bet. This method is slightly less intense than the 1st method but it is safer as only a complete opposite sequence of 9 colours will lose you your stake money. Overall we feel safest when we aim for a set amount of wins; once achieved we would normally quit. As a test, run the above patterns and triggers through several trial runs before starting to use real money. One further point is that we have never used these methods with online casinos and so we would recommend caution if contemplating to use them there. As far as we are concerned the results online are not honest but fixed, tilted towards making a set profit for the casino/bookmaker in question. We would urge you to stick to real casinos only.
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2012-08-20, 19:27 | #23 |
Det är upp till var och en att försöka. Även om casinot kommer att klå en på alla tillgångar om spelet bara håller på tillräckligt så kan man förbättra chanserna för vinst på kort sikt. Men inget roulettesystem är helt felfritt. Det är omöjligt.
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2012-08-20, 19:33 | #24 |
Ingen ska låta ALA övertyga er om att det finns någon som helst möjlighet att vinna mot ett online-casino. Det enda som funkar är att fysiskt stå där och räkna kort, kunna kasta tärning otroligt pricksäkert eller som någon nämnde genom fysik räkna ut var roulettekulan har störst sannolikhet att hamna beroende på var den börjar och vilken hastighet den har. Det spelar absolut ingen roll hur länge man väntar på "rätt" förutsättningar eftersom det inte finns några förutsättningar att vänta på. Varje rull är unik och följer inget specifikt mönster. I martingale kan du omöjligen veta NÄR din otursstreak kommer och du kan därför inte "spela till man vunnit lite och sen sluta". Risken finns ju att otursstreaken är det absolut första som händer utan att du har vunnit en spänn.
Att tro något annat än ovanstående eller säga att "alla får ha en egen uppfattning och testa om man vill" är bara naivt och hör inte ett sportsbettingforum (där vi ju ska ha oddsen på vår sida) till. Senast redigerad av HL333982 den 2012-08-20 klockan 23:29. |
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2012-08-20, 19:35 | #25 |
Jag säger då det
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2012-08-20, 19:47 | #26 |
Finna ett utmärkt system som funkade bra under den tid jag var inblandad. Det var att stå BAKOM bortdet, alltså vara arrangör. Då handlar det bara om att behålla spelarna vid bordet,så gick man alltid pluss.
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2012-08-20, 19:52 | #27 |
Finns också teknisk utrustning att köpa som gör att man kan fuska. Inget roulettehjul är helt felfritt. Så med avancerad teknik går det att hitta bristerna.
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2012-08-20, 20:43 | #28 |
Underhållande, minst sagt.
Vad är det för fusk som finns att köpa? Är det till onlinecasinon eller något man tar med sig och monterar upp inne på cosmonopol? Följande användare gav Sharp$ för den här posten:
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2012-08-20, 22:58 | #29 |
Reg.datum: okt 2011
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Sharp$: 385slapshot ishockey 13-14 Stats: 24 - 55 - 1 ROI: 87.15% Vinstprocent: 30.38% |
lika återkommande som dom där jävla myggen...
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